Although he never visited Istanbul, he either imagined her appearance or had a sketch of her. Again it's just my opinion to me it looks like a fact. Suleiman probably feared the reaction of the army. [9], During the reign of Selim I,[10] which means some time between 1512 and 1520, Crimean Tatars kidnapped her during one of their CrimeanNogai slave raids in Eastern Europe. Hurrem's influence in state affairs not only made her one of the most influential women, but also a controversial figure in Ottoman history, especially in her rivalry with Mahidevran and her son ehzade Mustafa, and the grand viziers Pargal Ibrahim Pasha and Kara Ahmed Pasha. For the series' last season, she is portrayed by Turkish actress Vahide Perin. The consorts were never to return to Istanbul unless their sons succeeded to the throne. In 1521, Mustafa became chief prince due to his half-brothers deaths. It seems you consider a Talk page as a comment war section, well it's not. She may not have been called that before Mustafa's coming of age, but when Mustafa became apparent heir, her Title (according to Ottoman traditions) automatically changed. Pathetic joke!! I request moderators to change the title of this page to "Mahidevran" only and if they find it pertinent as well, to retain the speculations in a subtopic within the page. Mahidevran tried to save her only grandson, but she failed again. No need to change the title. Museum of Turkish and Islamic Arts, The Hagia Sophia Hurrem Sultan Bathhouse built in 1556, Haseki Sultan of Suleiman the Magnificent, Content in this edit is translated from the existing Turkish Wikipedia article at. In a play entitled The Holy League, Titian appears on stage at the Venetian Senate, and stating that he has just come from visiting the Sultan, displays his painting of Sultana Rossa or Roxelana. Subscribe to our free weekly newsletter and stay up to date on History of Royal Women's articles! I got this text from this reference if anyone have an actual book name to cite then please update. ", That's not the correct conclusion, though. WebDeaths in June 2017 passed! Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E8:8BCE:C01:ED43:4385:BB24:1ABE (talk) 09:23, 10 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply], (moved from user TP) While she was serving as the mother to heir apparent she was considered a Sultan's family member (Ottoman court etiquette), hence the title. [44] This tragedy marks the first time the Ottomans were introduced on stage in France. Mahidevran Sultan once hit hurrem untill her face turned to a bloody puddle, something that didn't please the sultan. Hurrem also unlike Mahidevran [6][7][8] Her native language was Ruthenian, the precursor to modern Ukrainian. All these authors could've have used this phrase simply because they didn't know what the real father's name was, like I said "this name was and is very common for any royal family as well as a common family in any Islamic dynasty." Adding something as controversial as ""she was a slave"" as can be seen here would only draw unnecessary attention of the fans and/or may or may not be alleged descendants, as your content was more like a statement rather than a neutral point of view. [16]:132 Although she was Suleiman's wife, she exercised no official public role. Glbahar (given name) 1500s births. Prince Idar took this as an opportunity to make a good relationship with their rapidly spending neighboring dynasty, as young Prince Sulieman was only a few year older (if not the same age) than his most beautiful daughter. Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.161.124.138 (talk) 14:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply], SO many false claimed about Mahidevran and a daughter of Sleyman , who called Raziye. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 05:37, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], A few sources does claim she was a wife. Manisa was the most important province, and according to the tradition, only the favourite prince could be appointed there. I'll sing your praises always Not only is the phrasing leaving much to be desired, the conclusion is also a subjective speculation presented as a fact. [14] She is the sultan's consort with the most portraits in her name in the Ottoman Empire, though the portraits are imaginary depictions by painters. This woman could be Mahidevran or could also be Gulfem or the first unknown wife of Suleiman. She was not a sultana, she was a Birinci Kadin , therefore if any "royal title" should be used to her name it should be that; this is highly misleading and causes conflict with Ottoman history. We will review the memorials and decide if they should be merged. My name is Moniek and I am from the Netherlands. [41], Hurrem is known to have been very generous to the poor. It is explicitly explained that the title "Haseki Sultan" was created when Hrrem married Suleyman. Hello my dear friends!I'm glad to see you on my channel. 190.218.117.86 (talk) 02:43, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], "Denying a deceased person of its possible title" you just put yourself in evidence here. Dear Phso 2,I think i have made the issue clear which is about the royal woman "Mahidevran" and you shuould not have any doubt or confusion or Question regarding this subject. And with all this research you are only proving yourself wrong because NONE OF YOUR SOURCES say that M was a Muslim Convert, rather, they say, Mahidevran, daughter of Abdullah. Not all Haseki married the Sultan, if Hasekis can be called Sultana without marrying the Sultan so can the Bas Kadins. In 1520 after the death of Selim I, Suleiman moved to Istanbul to succeed his father, his court followed him afew weeks later. In the times of Suleyman, not everyone could be addressed that way. In one of her letters to Suleiman, she informs him about the situation of the plague in the capital. In 2019, mention of the Russian origin of Hurrem Sultan was removed from the visitor panel near her tomb at the Sleymaniye Mosque in Istanbul at the request of the Ukrainian Embassy in Turkey.[48]. 113.203.156.141 (talk) 23:52, 1 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], First of all, those references you've cited are: 1) popular culture based books 2) recent and based on art and theatrical depictions; as such, these references are unfounded and misinformed when it comes to Ottoman history. [30], Mustafa was supported by Ibrahim Pasha, who became Suleiman's grand vizier in 1523. Give me one name of the mother of potential heir to the throne (like mustafa) who wasn't called Sultana after 1500. [45] She has inspired paintings, musical works (including Joseph Haydn's Symphony No. Around 1541, the Venetian ambassador wrote that Mustafa foundeda great court in Amasya, which paralleled that of his father. Interviews of "alleged descendant" are not reliable sources for an history article, and the burden of demonstrating their reliability falls upon the editor who want to introduce them, as is written at WP:INTERVIEWS. Please, if there's someone who can review this and make a decision quickly. If you treat Ottoman history as merely entertainment, you're not doing your job to inform people. At his mothers funeral, Murad was supposed to remain in the palace during the funeral. [17] She did not spend her last years in poverty, as her stepson, Selim II, the new sultan after 1566, put her on a lavish salary. The original caption is only "sultana" and there is no reference to Rosne Pranvere. I, lover of the tormented heart, Muhibbi of the eyes full of tears, I am happy. That's very funny!!! Mahidevran was his most trustable advisor as well as chief of his harem. Mahidevran Turbesi5.jpg 320 240; 21 KB. Moreover, she is referred to as "Mahidevran Sultan" in popular history books, TV series and touristic literature. Please correct that. Burial. In 1561, three years after Hurrem's death, the French author Gabriel Bounin wrote a tragedy titled La Soltane. During those decades the Venetian Republic was following the Ottoman dynastic news closely due to their close links with the empire. [6] 113.203.150.188 (talk) 02:19, 1 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], Popular culture and Ottoman court etiquette are two different things. If you want you may mention an unnecessary word "slave" to the totally irrelevant section of "Origin and early life" but trust me you'll spent your whole life (and next one as well if you're a monk) reverting the changes made by those who have problem with this piece of word. Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.101.0.179 (talk) 11:44, 12 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply], If the modifiers of this page can identify this reference, then please update. Also, a Sultana was a woman in Sultan's family, being a mother of heir apparent living in the Harem at the same time the title Haseki was used for Hurrem, it can be asserted that she was also called Sultana, due to the fact that in her time (when Hurrem came along) Sultana title was already started being used for royal consorts regardless if they were haseki or not, see example of Mahfiruz Hatice Sultan, who was niether haseki nor Valide. Timaru, 7910 256 0 15. Mustafa and Mahidevran were sent back to Amasya. It's not her possible title and you think this is a joke. At age 26 Suleiman takes the throne. Chteau de Blois A favourite royal residence, The Daughters of William the Silent Emilia Antwerpiana of Nassau. In attempting to avoid the execution of her sons, Hurrem used her influence to eliminate those who supported Mustafa's accession to the throne. Some sources say she moved to Topkap, not because of the fire, but as a result of her marriage to Suleiman. Alex2006 (talk) 15:04, 12 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Keivan.f I haven't searched about mahidvran but happen to have read about her. The name Abdullah may be used as a generic patronymic (father's name) for slave converts but this name was and is very common for any royal family as well as a common family in any Islamic dynasty. sultanas. God willing, it will go away as soon as you return to the city. These incidents launched a series of events which culminated in his execution in 1536 by Suleiman's order. Suleiman started to see him as a great danger to his rule. His wife Kay announced via Facebook: I am sorry to make a If you ask about Istanbul, the city still suffers from the plague; however, it is not like the previous one. In rare cases, an autopsy needs to be performed by a pathologist. I guess the authors were inspired by Illuminatis;) (just a joke, no offense) Anyway, I can't argue with you, I can only simply ask for an admin's attention to all of your WP:OR. Thanks to her intelligence, she acted as Suleiman's chief adviser on matters of state, and seems to have had an influence upon foreign policy and international politics. She is still known and remembered today as the most politically influential Ottoman princess, and the only one to have served as Valide Sultan during her brother's reign. +64 3 687 9228. The Venetian painter Titian is reputed to have painted Hurrem Sultan in 1550. Mihrimah Sultan was born in 1522 as the daughter of Sultan Soliman the Magnificent and Roxelana. Where are the administrators of this page anyway? Also, why does these History Books (not popular history books) referred her as Sultan? Hurrem and Mahidevran had borne Suleiman six ehzades (Ottoman princes), four of whom survived past the 1550s: Mehmed, Selim, Bayezid, and Cihangir. Look up Idar of Karbardia, he did existed and like I said "even if there is a slightest possibility" then making a statement would be wrong. When Suleiman freed and married her, she became the Haseki Sultan (adding the word sultan to a woman's name or title indicated that she was a part of the dynasty). Page contents not supported in other languages. Subscribe to our weekly newsletter and stay up to date on History of Royal Women's articles! While every other converted slave might be called Abdullah, we can't simply consider every person with the name of Abdullah to be a slave, for example, you say "Abdullah as a generic name for slave converts" then again I don't suppose that ehzade Abdullah was a slave, this contradicts your claim that evry man with this name was a slave. At 5 years, survival was 45% (95% CI, 43% to 49%), and 43% of the deaths were noncardiovascular. Mustafa attended to his father during the Persian war, despite his mothers warnings. He appointed to govern Konya instead of Mustafa. [33] Her rehabilitation had been possible after the death of Hurrem in 1558. I already gave you all evidence, but you insist on calling her a sultana because you "assume" Birinci Kadin and Sultan mean the same: they are applied to concubine and legal wife accordingly and therefore don't mean the same. Wikipedia doesn't work like that. 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Raziye was born 1519, as daughter of sleyman and flane hatun. She commissioned a bath, the Hurrem Sultan Bathhouse, to serve the community of worshippers in the nearby Hagia Sophia. :P Well, like I said, all these efforts prove nothing but if you are convinced read may latest comments on my last reply; "you may add the word slave to Origins if you are still convinced but must also use the term "possibly" along with it to maintain a NPOV." Born in Ruthenia (then an eastern region of the Kingdom of Poland, now Rohatyn, Ukraine) to a Ruthenian Orthodox priest, Hurrem was captured by Crimean Tatars during a slave raid and eventually taken to Istanbul, the Ottoman capital. In the end, Mustafa was appointed to governAmasya (close to Persian border) while Mehmet moved to Manisa. Hatun is not a Title at all. Selim II (r. 15661574) likely never held anything against Mahidevran personally. She was his mothers rival, not his. Selim II, as depicted in a m There was a seal on the back of the letter. The problem with the sources you cite is that they're recent and are rooted in speculation, just as all of your post above. Either way, this was another significant break from established customs, as Sultan Mehmed the Conqueror had specifically issued a decree to the effect that no women would be allowed to reside in the same building where government affairs were conducted. Little Prince Mehmet (named after Mustafas half-brother) wasexecuted at just six years old. The army, the governors and thepeople loved Mustafa dearly. Not to mention that "was a chief consort" doesn't make much sense, because a implies that there is more than one which is a contradiction to the meaning of chief. Sorry cant find sources now that was about 12 years ago. [3][11][12] While Hrrem became Suleiman's new favorite and later his legal wife, Mahidevran Sultan retained the status of the crowned mother of Suleiman's eldest son,[13] and became Suleiman's "first wife". "The Speech of Ibrahim at the Coronation of Maximilian II", Thomas Conley. Where she came from? She was the first imperial consort to receive the title Haseki Sultan. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 20:52, 3 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], It is stated that kadins and hasekis carried equal rights in the harem, so why are you so passionate to call her sultana if she wasn't married to Suleyman? Your stubbornness of using only Peirce's provided information while neglecting other possible sources shows your own prejudice, not anyone else's. Never before had a former slave been elevated to the status of the sultan's lawful spouse, a development which astonished observers in the palace and in the city. It is traditionally believed that Hurrem, along with her daughter Mihrimah and her son-in-law Rustem, orchestrated Mustafas execution by turning his father, the Sultan, against him. Selim could have helped Mahidevran out of guilt that he lived and became Sultan while her son did not. After Valide Sultan's death, Mahidevran Sultan takes the lead of the harem. Again, it's just my opinion I still oppose the change of title. According to him, Mahidevran Sultan was the daughter of Prince Idar Temryuk.Was it really so? Copyright 2023 | MH Magazine WordPress Theme by MH Themes. ehzade Mahmud (November 1512 - 29 October 1521); This page was last edited on 21 March 2021, at 10:11. At that time Mustafa was the third son of Suleiman, without significant importance. () LUCKYEYE GROUP ALSO MAKES NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES AS TO WHETHER THE INFORMATION ACCESSIBLE VIA THIS WEB SITE, OR ANY WEB SITE WITH WHICH IT IS LINKED, IS ACCURATE, COMPLETE, OR CURRENT. WebMahidevran Turbesi3.jpg 315 470; 22 KB. People have done a great job depicting fake ottoman culture. This tells how important and high ranking Birinci Kadins were (see any ottoman dictionary you like to see what Birinci Kadin means and what was their positions in early history of Ottoman.) Minna Rozen: A History of the Jewish Community in Istanbul, The Formative Years, 1453 1566 (2002). [16]:130 Suleiman and Hurrem's last child, ehzade Cihangir was born with a hunchback, but by that time Hurrem had borne enough healthy sons to secure the future of the Ottoman dynasty. Who were her parents? Best R. - Worldandhistory (talk) 16:08, 25 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Phso2, your provided sources does not particularly points at M's father. Images of the chief consort emphasized her beauty and wealth, and she is almost always depicted with elaborate headwear. Reply[reply], Sort it out. Uzunarl, smail Hakk; Karal, Enver Ziya (1975). Sultans had previously married only foreign free noble ladies. There is a possibility of both titles therefore no title should be put in. - Worldandhistory (talk) 16:33, 28 September 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], @Phso2: Two of your sources are at stake (Colin Iber's and Peirce's), please read page 136 of Colin's book, this gives definition of Slave in general term, so calling any member of Sultan's family a slave does not necessarily makes them a slave by origin, and P simply used a text from Alberi, P herself only called M a concubine. If Sultana cannot be used for a "Birinci Kadin" then Hatun should also not be used. He was a talented soldier from his childhood. The book comprises 27 paintings and 27 poems After months of hard work Grantlea Downs School celebrated the opening of its sensory footpath last Friday. Despite the fact that male European artists were denied access to Hurrem in the Harem, there are many Renaissance paintings of the famous sultana. The death of television icon Betty White received a lot of attention in popular culture. Hurrem has usually been held at least partly responsible for the intrigues in nominating a successor. Who thought it was acceptable to post this? Even lowest ranking maids of the Harem were called Hatun out of respect. Note that I'm not saying that Mahidevran was not chief consort before the title Haseki came into use, but it's clear that she didn't continue to hold the title. These princesses, were destined to be gifted (in other words sold) by their ruling fathers to their higher or equivalent ranking rulers, kings and grand Vazirs (ministers). One of the alledged theories points to her mother being addressed in that manner. 125.209.82.212 (talk) 13:40, 4 March 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply], I agree with the latest proposal. [15], Roxelana, called Hurrem Sultan by the Ottomans, probably entered the harem around seventeen years of age. She did served as a "cheif consort" (bash Kadin) before Haseki Hurrem Sultan. The reason I call for a page title is to respect Ottoman customs and history, nothing more. Sorry, but the page you are looking for doesn't exist. Trk Tarih Kurumu Basmevi. [20] Hurrem became the only partner of the ruler and received the title of Haseki, which means the favorite. I was wrong I admitted that and removed the contents sourced from the blog. -Le temps viendra (talk) 22:32, 10 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Clear this matter Le temps Viendra Khondoker Jobair (talk) 05:03, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], Mentioned her survival possible after Hurrem a death is not sound real. Invalid memorial. My only request, please don't emphasize Leslie's work on entire Ottoman system, let there be other possible sources as well, specially for a matter like this, when there is little if no information on "consorts' position in harem before 16th century" is present in her book. She is known to be a legal wife before Hurrem Sultan, but not so popular since Hurrem Sultan was the first "slave" to become a legal wife, hence, only Hurrem's being a legal wife is so popular. For the record, The books I referred are History books, recalled by actual accounts, I didn't cite a popular history book or a theater play. Also, she became an important symbol of how ottoman consorts never had a permanent position in Harem and politics as it was only after Mahidevran with whom the Ottoman started respecting their royal consorts, it is obvious, that when Hurrem Sultan was given such elevation the same time the mother of heir apparent was alive and living in the Harem, that Mahidevran was also considered as Sultan's family member and hence the title. Also please keep the recent source in mind about an interview with her alleged descendant. Although Sultans didn't used to lawfully wed their wives, Birinci Kadins were considered and treated just like lawfully wedded wives. With Suleiman, she had five sons and one daughter. Most other sixteenth-century Western sources on Hurrem, which are considered highly authoritative today such as Turcicae epistolae (English: The Turkish Letters) of Ogier de Busbecq, the Emissary of the Holy Roman Emperor Ferdinand I at the Porte between 1554 and 1562; the account of the murder of ehzade Mustafa by Nicholas de Moffan; the historical chronicles on Turkey by Paolo Giovio; and the travel narrative by Luidgi Bassano derived from hearsay.[11]. Not interested? Hurrem eventually achieved power, influencing the politics of the Ottoman Empire. Hurrem's birth name is unknown. After the death of Suleiman's mother Hafsa Sultan in 1534, Hurrem's influence in the palace increased, and she took over the ruling of the Harem. Peirce, Leslie (2017). It turned out to be a certain Said Perizad Temryukoglu. [3] She entered the Imperial Harem, rose through the ranks and became the favourite of Sultan Suleiman. WebHe often forgets his lines or forgets to show up altogether, so the others have to look for him. Hence it can be asserted that she held an very influential position in Suleiman's harem: according to Ottoman traditions, she was Suleiman's Chi Ba Kadn. Circassian or Albanian? New York: Palgrave Macmillan. Therefore they can't be used. Muradiye complex. If you are, however, still convinced that only Peirce's book is authentic source for the Ottomans, try putting this "concubinage" information in Ottoman Empire in details as explained by Leslie and see the response of Turks and Ottoman followers by yourself. Hurrem acted as Suleiman's advisor on matters of state, and seems to have had an influence upon foreign policy and on international politics. [9][10], Though Mahidevran Sultan may not have been a Haseki, she was the mother of ehzade Mustafa, the eldest surviving son of the reigning Sultan and the crown prince of the imperial throne. WebHello my dear friends!I'm glad to see you on my channel. Former lover of Sultan Suleiman.But who was she before? However, if you feel otherwise, you could always simply revert the changes or add the "unreliable source" template with reasoning. Thank you 113.203.177.1 (talk) 18:32, 28 March 2016 (UTC) She quotes the sultan as saying, "with the old king we were like brothers, and if it pleases the All-Merciful God, with this king we will be as father and son." And I have an interesting video for the newer.Today I want to tell you about Mahidevran Sultan, who she really is.Mahidevran Sultan is the mother of Shehzade Mustafa. Before Hrrem Sultan, every consort was called hatun. Mahidevran was: theoretically, the daughter of a hatun, a birinci kadin, but never a sultana: she didn't legally marry Suleyman. We have not seen another such example after 15th century of a Senior consort being not called Sultana. For the first and only time in the Ottoman Empire, a female sultan exchanged letters with a king. The letters also suggest Hurrem's strong desire to establish personal contact with the king. She learns about the pregnancy of Nigar Kalfa through Gulsah and she informs Hatice Sultan of his husband's unfaithfulness. [11], Aside from her political concerns, Hurrem engaged in several major works of public buildings, from Makkah to Jerusalem (Al-Quds), perhaps modelling her charitable foundations in part after the caliph Harun al-Rashid's consort Zubaida. hurrem. Like mentioned before, popular culture adopts from what has happened in the past. Scholars thus agree that European artists created a visual identity for Ottoman women that was largely imagined. This section is full of "possible" origin theories, so mentioning any ""possible theory"" is no violation of any principal. This did not, however, prevent Hurrem from wielding powerful political influence. Mahidevran and Suleiman had five children -- three sons and two daughters. Theories I presented are with facts of ottoman etiquette and evidence from History books. And what was her life like before she met Suleiman?For a long time, little was known about Mahidevran Sultan. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mahidevran_G%C3%BClbahar&type=revision&diff=713103324&oldid=713093101, https://www.google.com/search?q=mahidevran+hatun&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=mahidevran+hatun&tbm=bks, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=9SrUAAAAMAAJ&dq, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=JYk-AQAAIAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=ZXUQBwAAQBAJ&pg=PT95&dq, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=tjFpAAAAMAAJ&dq, https://www.google.com.pk/search?q=mahidevran+sultan&rlz=1C1CHWL_enPK572PK572&oq=mahidevran+sultan&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60l2j69i65j69i60j0.3952j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=mahidevran+sultan&tbm=bks, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ottoman_titles_and_appellations, http://www.theottomans.org/english/family/harem2.asp, http://www.theottomans.org/english/glossary/index.asp, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=5WT1BQAAQBAJ&source=gbs_navlinks_s, http://www.theottomans.org/english/references/index.asp, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=9VYNAQAAIAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=b48lAQAAMAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=-2MMAQAAMAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=h27sAAAAIAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=4xlIAAAAMAAJ&q, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=4ddqaCdZdZ0C&pg, https://books.google.fr/books?hl=fr&id=nktpAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=mahidevran, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=9VYNAQAAIAAJ&q=mahidevran+kadin&dq=mahidevran+kadin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_pvmNi-nLAhVCNxQKHX11Bx0Q6AEILDAC, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=b48lAQAAMAAJ&q=mahidevran+kadin&dq=mahidevran+kadin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_pvmNi-nLAhVCNxQKHX11Bx0Q6AEIMjAD, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=b48lAQAAMAAJ&dq=mahidevran+kadin&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=mahidevran, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=9VYNAQAAIAAJ&q=mahidevran+kadin&dq=mahidevran+kadin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj895vvl_DLAhVFHxoKHWzlD90Q6AEILDAC, https://books.google.com.pk/books?id=hCEtAQAAIAAJ&q=mahidevran+Ba%C5%9F+kadin&dq=mahidevran+Ba%C5%9F+kadin&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwijqeKzmPDLAhVDMhoKHa4wDm0Q6AEINjAE, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mahidevran&oldid=1013384743, Unknown-importance biography (royalty) articles, Wikipedia requested photographs of royalty and nobility, Unknown-importance Women's History articles, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, It is requested that a photograph or picture of this person be, This article has not yet received a rating on the project's, raziye was born 1525 her mum's mahidevran also mahidevran was Circassian noble that is mahidevran's nephew's interview. 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